Curse

Dervish Gnome · Aug 16, 2007, 10:22 PM // 22:22

Dear ANET,

It has come to my attention over the course of several months that many of the female armors are a bit revealing. It would seem as though the less a female is wearing the higher the level the armor. Now, being a female gamer I find it a bit disturbing that many of the female characters are depicted as (please take now offense to this) stripclub dancers.

I had been dealing with this in my own way, mostly by playing as a Dervish, but recently I stubbled across a picture of the new Norn HeroJora. Her outfit disgusted me! It left me wondering if there would be anything left to the imagination after the release of GW:EN or GW2. Is it at all possible for you to design armor that is great looking without making me feel like I need to cover up my computer screen everytime someone walks into the room?

I really hope that something could possibly be done. Maybe introducing a "Design Your Armor" contest where contestants can design rather great looking armor without that stripper feel to them?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying to do away with all the rather showy armor...but instead to introduce some armor for the more conservative female gamers who do not like to have warriors following them through towns yelling "Dance for me! I'll pay!!" Not to mention getting the dirty little whispers that makes a woman's spine shiver.

The Concerned Female Gamer...
Dervish Gnome

Sugr · Aug 16, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Yes it has amazed me also. Along with the wimpy girly running style. Now I can see someone wanting that but a warrior? come on. Clothes of this nature is armor? This is suppose to be a family game. Seems many of the male gender have made female chars because they would rather "see the back side of a female instead of a male" in battle. But, there has to be a line drawn is this the one? I say it needs to be drawn some where why not with this character.

House Silvermoon · Aug 16, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

i think u guys are overreacting a bit. theres nothing wrong with the outfits. more like they can pull off the look so they do so; flaunt it while u got it cause it wont be there forever in other words. plus dont brush ur insecurities on the GW community. >.<

Dervish Gnome · Aug 16, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by House Silvermoon

i think u guys are overreacting a bit. theres nothing wrong with the outfits. more like they can pull off the look so they do so; flaunt it while u got it cause it wont be there forever in other words. plus dont brush ur insecurities on the GW community. >.<

House Silvermoon...

Are we overreacting? I think overreacting would be me demanding that all revealing armor be banned, but instead I am simply asking for alternatives. It's not "insecurity" its called having self-respect and moral-standards. I don't appreciate having to pick between classes based upon what that class will be wearing.

Sugr...

The whimpy run is just the male world saying that we're weak because when I see my character run...I'm justing waiting for her high heel to break and see her fall upon her face. Another thing...high heels?! Are you kidding me? I don't even wear high heels to the mall (because when I'm at the mall I'm there to do some serious shopping and I don't need achy feet slowing me down) so why would I wear high heels to fight the evils of the world?

Sugr · Aug 16, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by House Silvermoon

i think u guys are overreacting a bit. theres nothing wrong with the outfits. more like they can pull off the look so they do so; flaunt it while u got it cause it wont be there forever in other words. plus dont brush ur insecurities on the GW community. >.<

1st: Not "guys" I'm all woman

2nd: Your a "guy" right? obvious answer to "nothing wrong"

3rd: Flaunt with in a battle? Is this a time and place to flaunt?

Noticed: Didn't comment on the "Family Game" aspect of my answer just insecurities hmm is that why the male paragon has his little dance and the Male Warriors Elite armor is totally incasing their whole body. Seems the male side has their own insecurities if that is what the answer is for this thread.

Div · Aug 16, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

FoW ele armor is the least showy one, but also the most expensive. But the reason why they're getting more showy in general is because less clothes = more buyers = more money for Anet.

Solas · Aug 16, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

c'mon lads, all there asking for is more of a variety in female armour, is that so damn hard to ask for?

sure it looks nice but the fow armour covers up everything for an ele, if there was more armour liek that style but differant skin it'd be nice,thats all there asking for.

i have a char like that,scamily clad, waiting for gwe nbefore ichange armour tho. hat said i wouldnt mind if the male toons had jsut some underpants armour.

ithe old armours are there jsut an addition

/agree
i'm a guy btw

Dervish Gnome · Aug 16, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

FoW ele armor is the least showy one, but also the most expensive. But the reason why they're getting more showy in general is because less clothes = more buyers = more money for Anet.

holymasamune,

I agree that FoW elementalist armor is less showy but more expensive. About the less clothes the more money for Anet...when I buy armor is my 5k+ gamer gold going to Anet as a real transaction? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to sound rude...but I bought Guild Wars for the online play with other gamers not because the necromancer on the front looked "hot".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talach_Ninneed

c'mon lads, all there asking for is more of a variety in female armour, is that so damn hard to ask for?

sure it looks nice but the fow armour covers up everything for an ele, if there was more armour liek that style but differant skin it'd be nice,thats all there asking for.

i have a char like that,scamily clad, waiting for gwe nbefore ichange armour tho. hat said i wouldnt mind if the male toons had jsut some underpants armour.

ithe old armours are there jsut an addition

/agree
i'm a guy btw

Talach,

*Bows before Talach* Thank you kindly for seeing what exactly we're trying to say. We're not asking that all armor be changed, just that something new be added. You are now my new hero .

jamal · Aug 16, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

it seems to me what you want are armors that aren't going to flaunt the human body, and you claim that there aren't any. This is mistake proven by the following armors.

Warrior::
1.5k or 15k platemail
1.5k or 15k ascolon
Primevil armor

Ranger::
1.5k or 15k canthan
Istani
Ancient

Monk::
basicly every armor but tats and 1.5k kurzick

Necromancer::
1.5k or 15k fanatic
1.5k and 15k canthan
Elite Sunspear

Mesmer::
Courtly and Noble armor
Istani armor
1.5k and 15k Sunspear

Elementalist::
Ancient
(ok, elementalist could use some more armors like this i'll admit)

Assassin::
1.5 and 15k kurzick
Shing Jea
Ancient

Ritualist::
Ancient
Canthan 1.5k and 15k
Imperial 1.5k

Paragon::
Sunspear 1.5k
Primevil

*i left Dervish off the list as you have admited to being ok with it*
*i left Obsidian armors off the list as many people still can't afford them*
*sorry for lack of pictures/links to pics, i didn't know how*

Now this is a list of armors that i find to be completly family safe. Some classes(Warrior, Dervish) have notibly more options than others(Ele, Para, Rit), but there is a set of armor out htere for them all. There are also for the most part set of standard and Elite armors for each class. To be saying there are no options is a grave understatment and one i hope you will reconsider.

jhu · Aug 16, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

i have to second what jamal has said. there is plenty of armor that covers up everything for every class. i don't see what the big deal is. this is somewhat a reflection of real-life too. women do wear more revealing outfits than their male counterparts. in an average office, how many women are wearing low-cut shirts and short dresses? more than you'd think.

besides, this is a game. not a social statement.

Dervish Gnome · Aug 16, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamal

it seems to me what you want are armors that aren't going to flaunt the human body, and you claim that there aren't any. This is mistake proven by the following armors.
To be saying there are no options is a grave understatment and one i hope you will reconsider.

Jamal,

You are correct that we are asking for armor that doesn't flaunt the body; however, I did not say that there were "no options". Clearly there are options for each class, but I'm refering to GW:EN and possibly GW2. Jora is a clear example of what may be to come. I have no issue with the northern part of her amor...it is the southern part that has me concern. I want my Norn character's armor to be actual armor not this piece of cloth dangling on parts of my body (and being a constant 'tease' to male players).

All I'm asking for (and keep repeating) is other options to be put into the game. In GW:EN, Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall...put the new non-revealing armor anywhere you please...just put it somewhere (I'll even add a Conservative Armor NPC in my guild hall).

However, thank you for taking the time to find all the other armor choices and prices for the forum.

OhCrapLions · Aug 16, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Some armor is revealing indeed but unless its blatant lingerie or BDSM equipment I wont ever have a problem with it.

In short, cry moar.

Sugr · Aug 16, 2007, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhu

i have to second what jamal has said. there is plenty of armor that covers up everything for every class. i don't see what the big deal is. this is somewhat a reflection of real-life too. women do wear more revealing outfits than their male counterparts. in an average office, how many women are wearing low-cut shirts and short dresses? more than you'd think.

besides, this is a game. not a social statement.

We are not talking about an office here we are talking about battle armor. Women would not be wearing high heals for battle where this thread was made. The original post was about GWEN armor not the past. I mention there has to be a line and saw this was the line consider where the southern region drew a line on this character. I was just mentioning the future armor sets to come if this was an example that we are going to see. This game is for all and with this character there is no armor set to change it.

Fighterdoken · Aug 16, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

The problem with the "too little/too small" clothing is common to all the mmorpgs, or the video game industry... or any visual media actually.

Regarding video games, the general way of thinking is:

The majority of gamers are males.
Males like females with little-or-nothing-at-all clothing.
Males buy the games where they can find the lesser clothing on females.

No clue if its true or not, but it's the way the business is made (and if everyone does it, why not GW/Anet too? must be their way of thinking).

While i am partial to the idea of "the most left to the imagination, the better", i doubt it would become a new standard for the industry. After all, things have been the same way for years.

What i really don't understand is how they can expect us to think that a gladiator set of armor on a female can provide the same armor rating that a full plate obsidian armor. I mean, with all that meat exposed, you would think that they are a little easier to hit (no pun intended).
(and if they come with the "it's magic armor", well, a whole full plate set of that same magic armor should be available providing even higher AC)

Dervish Gnome · Aug 16, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by OhCrapLions

Some armor is revealing indeed but unless its blatant lingerie or BDSM equipment I wont ever have a problem with it.

In short, cry moar.

OhCrapLions,

Do you see where we are crying on here? Or is this just a sexist statement because women are known to show emotion more often then men? You may be okay with the armor and that's just fine...but I'm not okay with it and I have the right to post an objection or idea about what can be done about it. If you're not going to be helpful then stay out of this thread because I won't tolerate flaming from someone who can't spell "more". Thank you and happy gaming.

Aera · Aug 16, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

This is pretty funny. Basically, you're complaining about a bit of pixels, of a game that you CHOSE to play, that when put together form something that looks like a woman, who isn't NEARLY naked.

Covering up your screen? ...okaaaaaaaaay really are really overreacting.

The_Seraphim · Aug 16, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

Jamal,

You are correct that we are asking for armor that doesn't flaunt the body; however, I did not say that there were "no options". Clearly there are options for each class, but I'm refering to GW:EN and possibly GW2. Jora is a clear example of what may be to come. I have no issue with the northern part of her amor...it is the southern part that has me concern. I want my Norn character's armor to be actual armor not this piece of cloth dangling on parts of my body (and being a constant 'tease' to male players).

All I'm asking for (and keep repeating) is other options to be put into the game. In GW:EN, Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall...put the new non-revealing armor anywhere you please...just put it somewhere (I'll even add a Conservative Armor NPC in my guild hall).

However, thank you for taking the time to find all the other armor choices and prices for the forum.

Just wanted to make a quick little interjection regarding the appearance of Jora... a Norn warrior. (Jora meaning Lord in Norwegian) Typical "Viking" appearance tends to lean her outfit and appearance towards a rather revealing end. I'm not saying there should not be more conservative options for you, just simply the characteristics of the Norn race suggest that they would be rather "revealing" in their clothing choice.

populationcontrol · Aug 16, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

whats your problem with strippers, for all you know there forced to be sexy dancers to feed their family. they are a role model all women should look up to.

KiyaKoreena · Aug 17, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

I would also like to see more armors that aren't so ...revealing. I do not think it is too much to ask for a few more conservative armors in the future. I like a lot of the current ones, skin and all, but it would be nice to not see quite so much especially if running around in the snow. That is just not right.

Either my husband or I would happily make a male paragon or rit if in the future we could put a pair of pants on them......

Dervish Gnome · Aug 17, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fighterdoken

The problem with the "too little/too small" clothing is common to all the mmorpgs, or the video game industry... or any visual media actually.

Regarding video games, the general way of thinking is:

The majority of gamers are males.
Males like females with little-or-nothing-at-all clothing.
Males buy the games where they can find the lesser clothing on females.

No clue if its true or not, but it's the way the business is made (and if everyone does it, why not GW/Anet too? must be their way of thinking).

While i am partial to the idea of "the most left to the imagination, the better", i doubt it would become a new standard for the industry. After all, things have been the same way for years.

What i really don't understand is how they can expect us to think that a gladiator set of armor on a female can provide the same armor rating that a full plate obsidian armor. I mean, with all that meat exposed, you would think that they are a little easier to hit (no pun intended).
(and if they come with the "it's magic armor", well, a whole full plate set of that same magic armor should be available providing even higher AC)

Fighterdoken,

Yes indeed it is a man's industry or world. I know that things will not change, but I have high hopes that one little thing may be done such as the armor I've been posting about.

The female Gladiator armor is one of the things I've been pondering about. I've seen so many warriors wearing it and yet I see no scars upon their flesh. If people are honestly going to argue this using the "real life females dress showy" then perhaps some scars should be added since in real life I'm sure their flesh would have been cut.

Anyways, thank you for your post and being anything but condescending.

P.S. I'm getting real tired of being told I'm "crying" when all I'm doing is stating an idea (and telling a woman she's a crier is just a weak mans way of getting out of putting forth any effort to help out a situation) .